Joyce is clearly another agrarian socialist:
Joyce proposes cap on bush rates
29aug05
QUEENSLAND Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce has said he will use his key role in Parliament to push for a cap on the tax rate in depressed regional areas to help stimulate economic growth.
Pressure is mounting on the Federal Government to slash taxes, with Labor pledging to cut the top rate and overhaul the entire system.
Senator Joyce said today it was time for the Queensland Nationals to push for zonal taxation rates.
“The capping of the tax rate in depressed regional areas is a stimulus to further economic growth,” he told ABC radio.
“It’s based on the premise that if no tax revenue
Even if it could be arranged as Barnaby wishes, dah bush will still pay for the reasons for the hideous levels of Local Councils’, States’ Govts’. and the Federale’s taxation, their consumption which is still increasing by absolute amounts.
At least five rural councils in Victoria have increased their charge to real ratepayers by an absolute amount of at least 15 % each year for 4 years, including this year. Where do the funds go? Why, in socialisto pogroms, and head office `pay packets’ `consulting fees’. Councils scream poor when it comes to one of their original functions , building roads and now seek to charge road building levies against rate-payers and demand the Federales steel more private property to build roads.They fling stolen property on greenies, EPAS, and every damned socialisto scam the parties can cook up, and on their own very generous pay-packets and do thuck all for it all in return. And when Councils do build roads, they do a very bad job - new roads crumbling after just a few months, , ensuring the councils have committed ratepayers to the financial drain of repetivitive patching and rebuilding. Fraud, nothing less than criminal fraud is committed by every damned council.
And, Barnaby, you lot will pay more, fiat money ensures that, but so too on all inputs, you lot will pay more for less. That is before taking into account, protectionism for manufacturers; you lot, just as all real taxpayers in the city, pay multiples for vehicles as the exaction for protection of the automotive sector. You pay for it on non-farm earnings and savings, you pay for it 9in higher labour prices, in particular the imposed exactions of payroll, compulsory super ( which, in view of how the Hwke Govt. set it up is just another wheeze for bloody politicians to steal more private property’) . In sum, you will pay for the spending sprees of each tier of bloody govt. by falling real earnings net of tax, and RBA inflation of the dollar, the falling buying power of each retained dollar, the erosion of savings by each tier of govt., by increasing unemployment due to govt. consumption inclusive of transfers.
You pay for it with the continuous overthrow of private property rights and thus common law freedom - that, Joyce, the last time I checked, is matter over which `farmers’ are, justifiably, extremely angry. You are a hypocrite Jocye on this count too: you can not plump for almighty tin pot goddy all consuming govt. and expect your property rights and all your common law upheld and advanced freedoms to remain intact - and if you do beleive that they should not be overthrown you are a moron of a village idiot because overthrow of rights and freedom is a major issue of bloody socialism.
In short, Joyce, your desires are nothing but a prescription for the impoverishment of those in rural Oz but, Joyce, that is what each tier of Govt. is successfully doing, for that is what will happen, that is what your policies secure.
It is important to remind the socialist cretins who reside in rural areas as to who creates the sheer volume of demand for production: the populations of cities. Who raises the capital and thus, consequently, technology: those who fill the cities .Who builds the financial funds `farmers’ seek to utilise as capital, the cities. Where do you buy clothes, cosmetics, toiletries, in short such a dazzling array of products: producers for whom the cities make it profitable to produce so many splendid things.
In other words Joyce, as do all `bush’ socialists’, will hit the cities, as each tier of govt. is doing anyway, with a bloody long wish list. What you lot in the bush will enjoy in the end is not much and that very much more expensive than it is now, and then , you commie bastards will scream and howl all the more, and blame the city once again.
You see, Joyce, until you deal with the real root of many unpleasant things, you lot will be taken down the gurglar. You believe dragging all in the cities who are independent of thucking socialsito spiv govts. is a good thing. Reconsider that Joyce, the vast armies of professional bludgers and mendicants sucking on the teat of fat sacred cow socialisto govt., every damned tier do not pay your backsides and that will be made plain enough once the recession is fully manifested. That root, it is thucking socialisto parties in every god-damned tier of `govt.’
You are a charlatan as well as hypocrite Joyce. Types like you dominate each tier of bloody `govt.’ Types like you are sinking Oz into what will be either a severe recession or a depression and then, you commie bastards in the bush may scream, but, your screams won’t be heard over the screams of all the professional dole bludgers and mendicants of each tier of bloody socialisto spiv govts. and the parties who run them .
The rest Joyce, they might tremble, but unlike socialistos rural and urban, realise screaming and demanding, like little bloody Oliver twist, `More’, achieves nothing, doesn’t dig one out of the ditch socialist bastards like yourself dig by truckloads of stolen private property per second every hour every day. So Joyce, stamp your little bushy feet, I for one don’t give a damn about socialisto hypocrtical tossers pretending to be businessmen and women and their `woes’ , and whether you end up in tramp street or not. For it is quite clear, socialisto bastards like you don’t give a damn about the fact you lot are sending to the wall all those you plunder so bums like you can live the high life.
You see, Joyce, those independent of govt. may scream when the economic shite finally hits the proverbial f. but no-one hears them. Only the screaming professional socialisto bludgers, including those in dah bush are heard. But even then, the civilised , though they may scream, re-iterate, also fully grasp, demanding transfers to save them is rot as well as wicked. The independent, Joyce, have spine which you don’t.
Joyce is a scoialisto moron as well as a hypocrite.
One can imagine the grip of Joyce’s electors, the sort who, as Paul enlightens, Paul and Carls Daily Diatribe, are Margoyle’s Gargoyles. Just take a couple of examples of morons who should never put pen to paper:
I think any Telstra/Barnaby Joyce debate should be preceded with an attempt by all to reach a consensus on what we consider to be the basic level of services, not just telecommunications, all Australians should be entitled to.
Left to the free market, the best level of services will gravitate to those who can best afford them while those who cannot do without.
Of course, this scenario is not acceptable to me and I expect our Governments to interfere and ensure basic services are delivered to all.
The question we should first be asking ourselves is what level of services Governments should be providing to all Australians.
What level of telecommunication services would you consider acceptable for rural and regional areas? This should be answered before entering the Telstra/Barnaby Joyce debate as your answer certainly has a bearing on it.
I have answered it in my mind.
I approve of Barnaby Joyce?s efforts, not because he may damage Howard or sink the Nationals but because he is fighting for better services for rural and regional areas.
Margo: Yep.
Posted by: Geoff Ward at August 21, 2005 10:13 PM
So we have Telstra, which has an effective monopoly, bringing in $4 billion after tax profit, half of which goes onto our pockets, the Australians who own it, and that is $2 billion less tax to pay.
Why should a monopoly with stategic security implications (effective contol of communications in our country) be allowed to be privatised?(Perle’s attempt to sell American super tele company to HongKong interests was blocked for this reason.)
Why should we hand $450 million of our money to merchant bankers to sell it as the middle men?
Why if there is such a huge government surplus is there any necessity to sell at all?
Why should tax payers pay all of the upgrade costs if at present only half is owned by us?
Why not hold the sale until there is a financial need (not surplus) and the share price is above rockbottom. Selling now only benefits the traders and the bargain hunter side of bigbusiness. Big Mateship.
Posted by: angela ryan at August 21, 2005 08:54 PM
Regulations are a pain. Not only are they hard to envisage when being introduced, they also help the dishonest to find new ways to be dishonest.
The fact that the Government owned companies involved in airlines, banking, insurance, etc meant that every privately owned company in opposition to those public companies had a benchmark. They had to perform adequately servicewise, and pricewise otherwise they could not continue to exist.
You can study the performance of individual companies before and after the exit of public companies, and you will come to the realisation that the private companies performed much better while in opposition to public companies.
The fact that government has to regulate every facet of company behaviour is the reason why corruption is so entrenched, and the nonsense that “shareholder value” is touted as a monumental responsibility.
Posted by: Neil Forscutt at August 21, 2005 07:40 PM
[And this delinquent to The Oz Letters to the Ed.:]
The real wealth creators overlooked in the discussion
29 August 2005
MOST TALKED ABOUT
TOP TAX RATE CUT
PRIME Minister John Howard says he wants to reward wealth creators with a tax cut. So why does he want to give the richest people in Australia a tax cut?
The real wealth creators are the 20 per cent of workers who actually make things, and the people who work in Western-owned sweatshops in the Third World.
Workers who make things in Australia are usually the poorest paid, and they are about to be punished by the new workplace relations bill, and have their wages cut.
The real bludgers, tax minimisers and social parasites are about to get a tax cut given to them by their mates, and welfare providers in government.
The workers create the wealth and the rich get rewarded. Why do workers keep voting in governments that work against them?
Gavin Date
Marleston, SA
Gavin’s mystical belief runs ex-nihilo, dah worker produces, capital is just a spanner in the works.Joyce and his agricolean voters are brain dead too.
And, this , muttered by Joyce:
This issue has an iconic substance about it that really means that the ramifications of my decision affects my whole party, the party that I represent. Whether it goes forward. Whether it survives or not. And to be completely frank, if the National Party was not to survive, the Australian political environment would become a very much poorer place. It would become very bipolar. You’d really only need four people in the chamber and everyone else could go home. We have to make sure we get this right, not just for Queensland, not just for the future of the National Party, but for the future of a broader view in the political scene in Australia’s future.” Barnaby Joyce angst today more
Never a finer argument that Joyce’s as to why, the demise of the Nats, while it won’t improve things, viz ovt., is yet highly desirebale.
Joyce would go right round the bend if a genuinely Liberal party with stiff, principled candidates were to win seats and build as Ridney hide and ACT of N.Z. are successfully demonstrating. So would Margo and her band of gargoyles. Come to it, the Liberal Party and the ALP would show signs of raving dmeentia too. No? Well, N.Z. Labour Party and National Party ( whose position is the same as the Coaltion’s) are beside themselves with the fury of the impotent as they watch the repated victories of ACT in and outside Parliament.
Indeed, Hide and ACT have hit Labour Party , Clarke and her Cabinet so hard the Nationals actually weasle their way about trying to support Clarke and Labour against Hide and ACT. Yet, that is the position of the Liberals, and the Nats, they do not wishg to see the ALP fail lest a genuinely liberal party take a hold, and the ALP do not wish to see the demise of the Coaliton obefore a surging truly liberal party. They need each other , after all, they are socialisto spivs, charlatans and spivs., they cannot risk facing genuinely principled m.ps. who position is sound.
Ha, some Coaltion M.Ps. may not like Joyce but, in the end, he is on socialisto side and so, is thus also on the side of the ALP and the ALP is on their side too, with the greenies and the Democrats adopted like pet rodents, patted, indulged, reprimanded, but allowed to sleep in the bed. If `One Nation’ had said poltically nice things too, they would have found themsleves in like Flynn in the commie boudoir called Parliament.